NO: 16 JUL 1985 The Hacienda - Manchester


Setlist

State Of The Nation, Dreams Never End, Subculture, This Time Of Night, Your Silent Face, Love Vigilantes, Weirdo, The Perfect Kiss, Face Up, Sunrise, Ceremony, Confusion, Temptation

Tape from Dave Mings (DM). As provided, it ran really fast (80 cents, or about 2.5%).

Announcer (Tony Wilson):

AHW: "...all right, settle down for it, first of all, welcome to 'The Summer Of Love', which is the crappy title which our managing director has thought up for future Tuesdays, which will be a discotheque, but not quite as crowded as this, thank God."

Basically, you have to move back, the people about five feet here got to move back. There's loads of space there, like the man says at Wembley, take one step back...."

Punter yells out, 'Hello, Richard'...

He continues:

AHW: "...no there's no space in front because you are getting crushed, right?  People get crushed, the gig will stop, right? Anyway, the next lot that are going to play tonight are shit to look at, anyway. Just want to listen to them, but you don't need to be that close. In fact, I find being close to them quite distasteful sometimes, they don't wash enough like they should. Ladies, and gentlemen, first time up for the Summer Of Love, New Order!"

The borzage source misses AHW's introduction.

State Of The Nation

BS: "Thanks a lot."

Hooky coughs.

Dreams Never End

PH: "Right, today is my brother's birthday, so I'd just like to say happy birthday Paul, and for all you bastards to buy him a drink. And this song is for him."

Paul may not have been too happy at the way they butchered this particular number. The line before 'I left the world to your love and soul' has changed lyrics, something about "the [?] tell us the truth".

PH: "Happy birthday, Paul."

Subculture

The punters are roused enough to sing along.

BS: "Song's called Subculture."

This Time Of Night

BS: "Would you move back a bit please, looks like, eh, if you move here[?] in the front there, we'll be playing a benefit for ourselves if you don't. This one's called, er, This Time Of Night. Don't know what it's about.

BS: "Thank you very much, motherfuckers."

Your Silent Face

BS: "This one's called, 'For Two'[?]"

Naturally, it features a good ad-lib or three.

BS: "Thank you very much, punters. Can I, er, ask you to move back again please?"

Shouts out for EGG/Ceremony...

Love Vigilantes

(at end)

BS: "Yes, can you, uh, move back again please?"

Hooky plays a descending riff.

BS: "It's causing us a lot of discomfort here on stage."

Weirdo

The debut of this one. Not an auspicious start, as nobody is playing in time on this one, at least to start out with.

DM version has a cut between this one and The Perfect Kiss, as well as some azimuth issues.

lyric: "We believe in the land of pussy."

The "borzage" source has a cut between songs here.

Cut near the end of TPK on the DM version.

BS: "Thank you...very much."

Face Up

Right channel drop a few seconds in on DM tape.

BS: "Thank you very much...indeed."

Sunrise

BS: "This one is very fast and very loud and I want you all to hear."

BS: "Thank you very much...[Bernard makes a grunt and then says Pardon? or something like that]

Ceremony wraps up the main set.

Punter yells out, "Fucking temptation, Everything's Gone Green, Procession."

BS: "Thank you very much, good night!"

And then there's a 3 minute interlude with chatter from the ch

AHW: "Hello, you'll have to wait...you'll have to wait till Barney cools down a bit. He'll probably come back on again, I don't know if he will or not. Right, one quick point. Right, the reason...we wanted to explain the reason you all paid five quid in tonight. The group thought you can...we could charge you four quid, more reasonable. But actually the reason you paid five quid is that the point of the gig, is that the acoustics in this club, which is the best club in New York, are not great acoustics, as you know. So the reason you're paying your money is that there's a process of gigs that New Order are doing to raise money to put about 10 grand's worth of baffling up there, to keep the sound down. Poor activity. Alright, listen...listen. I don't know whether they're gonna come back on, you don't know whether they're gonna come back on, at this moment in time, they probably don't know whether they're gonna come back on, so we're all in a delightful state of anticipation."

Man he rambles...

Cut and then a bit of backing music, song I can't id. New Order come back on, and play a sound effect that betray what they're going to play.

Confusion

BS: "Eh, this one's called Confusion."

Someone calls out for Sister Ray. Maybe somebody who had seen them in Salford earlier in the year, because prior to that they've only played it sporadically (Scamps Blackpool 05 SEP 80, St. Andrews Stirling University 13 APR 83, Inside Festival 12 AUG 84, Salford University 17 APR 85, and Sydney 18 MAY 85)

BS: "Well, don't you want us to play anymore?"

Temptation

Cuts shortly before 4:00 on DM tape.


Versions

Four confirmed, and possibly another one or two floating around...

"DM"AUD #1Sony WM-D6ECM-929LTTJ, GB, davemings, LazloIncludes 48s of Tony Wilson imploring people to back up taken from another recording (AUD #3). Male/female voices talking while Hooky introduces DNE. TPK cuts at the 7:40-ish point. Temptation (final encore track) cuts on "DM" version but not on Lazlo-sourced lowgen upgrade of this.
AUD #2DIME (borzage)TJ also says there's at least two distinct copies, one he got in Camden Market (red cover), the other a bit later. Different source than AUD #1, missing Tony Wilson's introduction, but Temptation is complete. A/B flip is between Weirdo and TPK.
AUD #3AHW intro used on amalgamated AUD #1's comes from a different variant, which hasn't been fully shared beyond that.
LazloAUD #4Saisho P50Philips (borrowed)Lazlo, perspexorange
'Love Of Carnage'AUDmonoANA0'Love Of Carnage'Claims to have taped this gig, see http://www.flickr.com/photos/carnage2/204856356/in/photostream/ (link dead)
CWAUDSony WM-D6Aiwa CM-30CWEntry could be spurious and confused with the Dec 1985 shows, checking with Craigie.
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