NO: 23 MAY 1985 Logan Campbell Centre - Auckland, New Zealand
Setlist
Love Vigilantes, Blue Monday, Temptation, Subculture, Elegia, Your Silent Face, As It Is When It Was, Denial, Confusion, The Perfect Kiss, Sunrise, Age Of Consent, Love JuiceSoundcheck
This Time Of Night, Elegia, Subculture, The Perfect Kiss, Love Vigilantes…
I have quite a few tapes of this concert. I suspect that there are in fact two audience sources for this.
The original writeup of gig was made from a tape marked as fourth generation, but sounding fairly good. I've since received no less than 7 tapes from GaoBest, gig and soundcheck from an M/3 tape (a different source that has LV and Love Juice complete, but has slightly worse sound) and gig/soundcheck copied directly from the master.
Am still sorting this one...
Intro music is something with trumpets, a distant cousin to the Viking stuff.
Love Vigilantes
PH: "Good evening, and welcome. This is Love Vigilantes. Let's go, Steve!"
There's a fadeout right at the intro, and there's volume problems as the taper's moving about, so the intro here is a bit ropey.
BS: (at end) "Sequencer." A few seconds go by. "Shut up, you drunk."
Blue Monday
BS: "Thanks very much, thank you." Punters cry for Ceremony, which doesn't get played tonight.
Temptation follows.
(at end)
BS: "Ed, there's a loud snare drum somewhere again, a little bit of drum machine, what, I don't know."
Subculture
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| Photo set by 'nothingelseon' |
BS: "Thank you very much."
Some talking in my right ear by the taper or someone close, "I forgot to turn...(something) scale." (in the non-DP source)
A bit of guitar, and then the start of Elegia. The taper gets bumped, the tape speed goes wonky for a second.
Very nice version. Punter calls out for EGG. New Order play Your Silent Face instead.
As It Is When It Was
(?): "Hello."
Not sure who says this. Doesn't sound like Bernard, but it does appear it's from the stage.
A fairly new song.
Sounds like the chorus is "Whatever you may think of me, you know the fucker will never see...". There's a couple of others lyrical variations, but it sounds fairly close to the release.
They then get right into _Denial_, which is dominated by Morris' rolling drum patterns. Lots of echo on Bernard's vocals at this point. More cries for EGG in the between-song gap?
Confusion
BS: "Wha'? Come here. I can see you. I can hear this back as well. What? What, what you want, what you want?"
Channeling Ian Dury here?
The DP source I have doesn't do the A/B flip in the middle of the above, while the non-DP source does.
The Perfect Kiss
BS: "Song's called 'A Perfect Kiss'. Which got nothing to do with kissing. It's all death."
At one point Barney sings, "we believe in the land of pussy" (last line of the first chorus)
BS: "Thank you very much, you motherfuckers."
Sunrise
BS: "This song's all about...the intervention of the penis in politics."
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| Photo set by 'nothingelseon' |
Punter lass comments, "It's gonna be fast."
About a three-minute gap between the main set and encore. The songs played during the break are by ACR.
Age Of Consent
PH: "Well, I'm gonna do this one then, because we're not miserable bastards who won't come back..."
(my original 'non-DP' 3rd-4th gen source starts at 'cause', leaving out the first phrases)
PH: "Cuz they're like that, they don't give a fuck about New Zealand but I do, my mother was born here."
A storming version, as you'd imagine.
Huge feedback squall during the break.
Edit between this one and Love Juice.
The following transcription is probably not entirely accurate...
Love Juice
"I saw you walking down the street
You saw me, that you have oh such big feet You said I loved you, what is your name?
I said you should never utter the Lord's name in vain. You said beauty is what you find it
Under your clothes is where they find it
Love is up around the tree
But if you want it, it's just for me
Love is where you find it...
When the dreams are good(?).
Love is where you find it...
Love Juice
Love Juice
Love Juice smells like
Stale fish
It smells like a three-way!
How many lies can you bribe for 20 pounds. When you drop your wad you waste it all around
You tell...love juice is where the free wind blows Love Juice...are where the gypsies go."
Smell all the beautiful flowers
Time wasted in our hours
The time of this hopeless song
The death... for my wonderful son.
Love is where you find it
Love is the color of blood
Love is where we're raging through it
With envy and tied with lust
Love is through with raging threat with evvy and tie it with lust
Love is where you find it
Love is where you find it"
Hooky closes it out with a really catchy bass line, and then fans clap to some machinery left on...then the house lights go up and the backing music comes on.
Photo montage link by nothingelseon, as featured above.
GaoBest says there's also a soundcheck for this gig.
What do you show for the 5-23-85 soundcheck? i still do not know how long mine is; originally it was 87 minutes but i've since found more materials and i don't have time or energy to listen to it just yet.
And a more detailed breakdown:
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 03:02:41 EDT
From: GaoBest
Subject: (Fac33) 5-23-85 Logan Campbell Centre, Auckland, New Zealand Soundcheck
This is confusing as hell. From 1993 to 1996, I was satisfied knowing that I had a 94 minute soundcheck. Then I decided to borrow the analog cassette masters in July 1996, to make myself first generation copies on cassette. To this day, I have never played these tapes, and I now have 4 tapes.
I have a 90minute cassette and a 100 minute cassette, both which simply say "NO 5-23-85 Logan Campbell Centre, Auckland S/C 1AUD" but with no other information.
I also have two 90 minute cassettes. I am simply copying the information I wrote on the tapes, maybe someone has a perfect copy from master of this soundcheck and can help to shed some light.
#591
The Cure -Let's Go To Bed
NO 5-23-85 soundcheck
assorted...
The Perfect Kiss - synths
Age of Consent - bass/drums
Love Will Tear Us Apart - strings
(approx. 20 minutes here)
This Time of Night
Your Silent Face - keyboard intro
drums/guitar
bass
This Time of Night - sequencers, keyboards, etc. Elegia
(approx. 40 minutes here)
#592
(cuts into) Elegia
Subculture
The Perfect Kiss (edit version) (cut)
Love Vigilantes
(approx. 29 minutes here)
phone interview w/ Hook (w/ Australian DJ?) - 4 minutes
I simply wrote "33' total" for the other side of this tape.
Soundcheck
Anyway, I could potentially have 89 minutes of soundcheck. I could have more soundcheck that I'm unaware of. All I know is that this is a really horrible mess so I have no idea what I really have; if I take a few hours, then I can listen and maybe offer more information. In the meantime, maybe someone else can shed some information.
My notes:
I have a soundcheck version of Love Vigilantes from this gig as a filler track on my RFH tape. Hooky's bass cuts out during the middle (may have been something to do with the mixer). When Barney sings "I want to see my family" he then says, "Just ...[?]...one sec, lads, volume cuts down again, and then he says "Eddie, more bass sequencer and more vocals", and then "all right...". After it finishes, the taper (an Aussie) talks to a couple of folk whilst Barney calls out "you know about my strat...my stratocaster". New Order do random soundchecking, and guitar bits that sound like Ceremony.
This extra bit is also appended on the M/3 version of the gig tape...it may explain why it's better circulated than the rest of the soundcheck. stay tuned on where it fits overall into the soundcheck.
0:00 drum sequencer (unknown patterns, TTON-ish! pretty cool sounding). Levels are turned up at the 1:55 point. Ends at 2:31 about a second of silence.
2:34 TPK sequencer. Tape stopped after one second, silence of a second on tape.
6:06 Edit on tape (two seconds). Resumes at 6:08, with more TPK soundchecking. Ends at 9:37, with another second of silence silence. Future edit/breaks here should be assumed to account for gaps of about a second.
9:38 syndrum pattern (again unknown) and some chattering, with the drums starting again at the 11:11 mark. At 14:52, Hooky's bass can be heard and it it melds into Age Of Consent. Stops at about 17:30 with a few seconds more of chatter.
17:40 More Hooky Age Of Consent bass and this time with much faster drum sounds...the riffs blend into a bit of LWTUA, with a chuckle and somebody near the taper saying "You rule!"...and some more chatter.
20:15 Yet more drum soundchecking. Stops at 21:25 for about five seconds, and then continues. Another edit/break at 22:58
22:59 Still more drum soundchecking. Barney says stuff at 24:51. edit/break at 25:06.
25:07 The drum soundchecking continues. Slows down at 29:50. edit/break at 30:22.
30:24 Bit of cymbal, and immediately another second pause, then resumes with more cymbals...Barney says something at 31:50, and the drums get a bit loud. Sound cuts out and fades at 33:11, and cuts at 33:19. Another edit/break.
33:20 This Time Of Night synths. Sound swell at 34:16, lasting a couple of seconds. Volume drops at 34:52, and rises up again at 35:05. Fades out at 35:35, at 35:40 somebody says, "Somebody's...[can't make out rest]"
35:57 Synth intro from 'Your Silent Face'. Volume swell at 36:16, lasting only a couple of seconds. Volume drop at 38:18, somebody (Bernard?) says "Okay." and then you can hear a frog sample from TPK. Some more chatter by the band, and a bit more drum checking.
39:35 A tiny bit more drum checking, followed by guitar playing the Ceremony riff, followed by squiggle noise, and a bit of Leave Me Alone. Bernard says something, and then "How are you doing, Peter?" Hooky replies. Then Bernard plays a bit of As It Is When It Was.
43:00 More drum soundchecking. Ceremony guitar riff. Bernard starts talking at 43:55 about the sound, hard to make out. More talking at the end of the 45th minute, and then somebody starts singing really badly, with Hooky (I assume) commenting "Oh dear."
46:46 Age Of Consent bassline. edit/break right at 47:00.
47:01 Some more talking, "me? me?" and "OK". Age Of Consent bassline continues, volume swell at 46:56. Then the bassline for 586 sneeaks in there, morphs back to Age Of Consent's and then becomes LWTUA's, and then Denial's. Bernard soundchecks at the end of
the segment.
49:02 Hooky one-two's and comments "the equipment seems to be better than it was in Australia". He even makes it up to three-four at a few points. If you listen closely you can hear a bit of Decades and even 24 Hours bass. At 52:07, Bernard says, "Okay, uh, burn out the guitar." More AoC bass follows.
52:12 More AoC bass soundchecking.
53:04 A bit of drumming, and then some guitar riffing here. Nothing I can recognize.
54:22 BS: "Is it possible to do [something] backward?". Then Barney one-two's a couple of times and calls out "Andy". Some more one-two'ing, with Hooky off-mic calling out for Andy. At 56:24, I think that's Andy saying "We'll do [something] checks when you'r ready." Somebody else says, "Aren't you going outside?".
56:45 More guitar riffing, Bernard says "could you [can't make out]" at 57:00 and then "This song, actually". Guitar soundchecking blends into the sequencer for This Time Of Night," with Barney giving instructions on the levels for vocals and guitar on the monitors. Very good guitar lines here that I don't think I've heard in this song.
62:05 PH: "Bernard, how about Elegia?" BS: "I've never heard...play some drums..." Hooky one-twos. Meanwhile Stephen's playing some drum patterns. BS: "Here's the bass sample." Lots going on here, with Barney suggesting (to Gillian?) to "play it on the Emulator".
64:20 BS: "Eddie...Ed, take the acoustic guitar a bit down" He also suggests to turn up Steve's drum monitors up a bit.
65:11 This Time Of Night bass, followed by synths for Elegia. Edit at 65:43.
65:43 A bit more synths, and chatter. 66:06 BS: "I think we're ready, Ozzie. I'm not sure."
66:10 Finally, a complete song. Elegia. At 68:15 Barney starts giving directions, which can barely be heard above the din.
71:50 Elegia synths. Barney comments to turn the foldback up. Edit at end.
72:28 PH: "We'll just do with, eh, we'll just do with [can't make out]... I think most of it is coming from the aft....right..." At this point scuffling can be heard on the mic.
72:47 Subculture...during the intro Barney's commenting about sound levels, which vary throughout here, with the music coming in alternately loudly and quietly against the vocals. At 75:13, Barney says something about the Voyetra synth, Emulator, and the percussion. At the end, Barney comments, "er, still trouble with the bass guit...bass sequencer, maybe...you should turn it up a little bit, just can't hear it."
78:22 Another attempt at Subculture. Some more talking in the midst of the track, calls for adjusting levels, etc. Volume goes up at 79:36.
82:08 The Perfect Kiss (checks). At 82:48, Barney says to turn the sequencer down. He continues: "What you have to do, Ed, what you have to do" and some other instructions hard to make out.
83:29 You can hear the taper zip his bag, as there's more band chatter. Before they start in again, Hooky cries out, "Let's go!"
83:52 The Perfect Kiss, in what amounts to Barney just singing a bit of the chorus. Hooky says something at 86:02.
86:29 The Perfect Kiss, with Barney singing "Let's go out and have some fun!" first. Taper starts moving around when Barney sings so there's weird stereo field shifts at that part.
90:39 Barney comments, "I'll do some vocals in a minute." Hooky: "Sometimes we all dr...[can't make out]...yeah, right." This is followed by some guitar noodling for Love Vigilantes. Ends at 92:07.
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